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	<title>Comments on: The Dedicated Experience</title>
	<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/</link>
	<description>Chris Boulton</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-8774</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-8774</guid>
		<description>Thanks Chris, I appreciate it. (I'd rather here this stuff from someone who's been there/done that)

I have no Idea on lunix operating systems (all I know is that there are thousands which makes it even more confusing), Im going to have to read into all that too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris, I appreciate it. (I&#8217;d rather here this stuff from someone who&#8217;s been there/done that)</p>
<p>I have no Idea on lunix operating systems (all I know is that there are thousands which makes it even more confusing), Im going to have to read into all that too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Boulton</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-8769</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-8769</guid>
		<description>My server is hosted at Layered Technologies, http://www.layeredtech.com

Running a server off your home connection is not only a mistake but is also most likely against the TOS of your ISP.

Layered Tech offer pretty cheap servers and have a whole different set of ranges with specs.

Because it is your first time, I'd recommend getting Debian installed (unless you decide to go with a Windows server). You can then use apt-get to install the different packages for the functionality you need instead of compiling from source.

&lt;a href="http://howtoforge.net" rel="nofollow"&gt;Howtoforge&lt;/a&gt; has some good beginner articles for setting up servers (Perfect setup guides). They then cover advanced topics as well.

The MyBB server runs Fedora Core 3 (ewww) with most packages compiled from source (because they're newer than the packaged versions available and give me extra flexibility).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My server is hosted at Layered Technologies, <a href="http://www.layeredtech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.layeredtech.com</a></p>
<p>Running a server off your home connection is not only a mistake but is also most likely against the TOS of your ISP.</p>
<p>Layered Tech offer pretty cheap servers and have a whole different set of ranges with specs.</p>
<p>Because it is your first time, I&#8217;d recommend getting Debian installed (unless you decide to go with a Windows server). You can then use apt-get to install the different packages for the functionality you need instead of compiling from source.</p>
<p><a href="http://howtoforge.net" rel="nofollow">Howtoforge</a> has some good beginner articles for setting up servers (Perfect setup guides). They then cover advanced topics as well.</p>
<p>The MyBB server runs Fedora Core 3 (ewww) with most packages compiled from source (because they&#8217;re newer than the packaged versions available and give me extra flexibility).</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-8768</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-8768</guid>
		<description>Hehe, this is going to be funny when I start to build my own server. I dont even know what to do. Can someone help me out here? All I have at the moment is a broadband connection 40GB downloads/uploads at 1.5mbps - is that good enough Chris, or is someone else managing your dedicated server on their network?

Where can I find a good deal to buy a dedicated server?
Can you focus on any tutorials or any good tutorials sites on getting a dedicated server and setting it up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, this is going to be funny when I start to build my own server. I dont even know what to do. Can someone help me out here? All I have at the moment is a broadband connection 40GB downloads/uploads at 1.5mbps - is that good enough Chris, or is someone else managing your dedicated server on their network?</p>
<p>Where can I find a good deal to buy a dedicated server?<br />
Can you focus on any tutorials or any good tutorials sites on getting a dedicated server and setting it up?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Boulton</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-3113</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-3113</guid>
		<description>Around about 12 queries per page. Times are a bit higher now because there are several sites running on the server but generally pages in MyBB (not WordPress!) run at 0.08 or 0.09.

At the moment i'm running on stock configurations of PHP and MySQL because I haven't had a chance to actually customise them. I've always been able to get decent speeds from MySQL, the problem is making sure your indexes are correct in your tables and you keep your database clean (optimize and analyze tables often).

Make sure you're logging slow queries too - that can help if you want to determine which is taking too long to execute and needs to be revised.

One of the projects i'm involved in, the Messenger Plus! Custom Sounds feature, is controlled by servers in the backend - we're dealing with probably around 1,000 queries per second to and from the database. Our setup is not small however, we're using 3 servers for file storage as well as 1 for the SQL databasel. We've gone through numerous structural designs in the database as well as filesystem and many changes to the configuration files for both PHP and MySQL to make sure everything is running at a optimal speed - so basically with the right structure and configuration you can achieve your 1,000 queries per second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around about 12 queries per page. Times are a bit higher now because there are several sites running on the server but generally pages in MyBB (not WordPress!) run at 0.08 or 0.09.</p>
<p>At the moment i&#8217;m running on stock configurations of PHP and MySQL because I haven&#8217;t had a chance to actually customise them. I&#8217;ve always been able to get decent speeds from MySQL, the problem is making sure your indexes are correct in your tables and you keep your database clean (optimize and analyze tables often).</p>
<p>Make sure you&#8217;re logging slow queries too - that can help if you want to determine which is taking too long to execute and needs to be revised.</p>
<p>One of the projects i&#8217;m involved in, the Messenger Plus! Custom Sounds feature, is controlled by servers in the backend - we&#8217;re dealing with probably around 1,000 queries per second to and from the database. Our setup is not small however, we&#8217;re using 3 servers for file storage as well as 1 for the SQL databasel. We&#8217;ve gone through numerous structural designs in the database as well as filesystem and many changes to the configuration files for both PHP and MySQL to make sure everything is running at a optimal speed - so basically with the right structure and configuration you can achieve your 1,000 queries per second.</p>
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		<title>By: Rust</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-3112</link>
		<dc:creator>Rust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 10:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-3112</guid>
		<description>Same thing here - my dedicated server is a P4 3.0GHz with 2GB of RAM, but my home machine is a dual-core Athlon64 with 2GB of RAM. Funky :) But I ain't giving up my 64 bits for no site.

I do have a quick question though. For those 0.03 second load times, how many queries are being made? I'm assuming that you're running PHP on Apache with MySQL, probably, but I've always had trouble getting that kind of speed from MySQL. SQL Server is no problem, it'll handle a thousand queries a second (simple ones, like a blog or forum would mostly make), but my MySQL setup only seems to be able to hit about a quarter of that speed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing here - my dedicated server is a P4 3.0GHz with 2GB of RAM, but my home machine is a dual-core Athlon64 with 2GB of RAM. Funky <img src='http://www.surfionline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> But I ain&#8217;t giving up my 64 bits for no site.</p>
<p>I do have a quick question though. For those 0.03 second load times, how many queries are being made? I&#8217;m assuming that you&#8217;re running PHP on Apache with MySQL, probably, but I&#8217;ve always had trouble getting that kind of speed from MySQL. SQL Server is no problem, it&#8217;ll handle a thousand queries a second (simple ones, like a blog or forum would mostly make), but my MySQL setup only seems to be able to hit about a quarter of that speed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Akkies</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-2793</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Akkies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-2793</guid>
		<description>Yeah, huge improvement. Even so, my home pc has got better specs :&#124; I guess you pay for the transfer and maintenance more than for the actual computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, huge improvement. Even so, my home pc has got better specs <img src='http://www.surfionline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> I guess you pay for the transfer and maintenance more than for the actual computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Boulton</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-2791</guid>
		<description>Yeah,

P4 2.8ghz (Only one processor at the moment ;))
1024mb RAM
80gb HDD
1000gb monthly transfer.

The old one was a Celeron 2.4 with only 512mb RAM so thats why there is such a difference - having the cache of the P4 as well as other differences between the entry level Celerons and the actual P4's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>P4 2.8ghz (Only one processor at the moment ;))<br />
1024mb RAM<br />
80gb HDD<br />
1000gb monthly transfer.</p>
<p>The old one was a Celeron 2.4 with only 512mb RAM so thats why there is such a difference - having the cache of the P4 as well as other differences between the entry level Celerons and the actual P4&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Akkies</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-2790</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Akkies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2005/08/13/the-dedicated-experience/#comment-2790</guid>
		<description>Got any specs? If the server is even better that must be one hell of a server.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got any specs? If the server is even better that must be one hell of a server.</p>
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