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	<title>Comments on: What I Hate..</title>
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	<description>Chris Boulton</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Light</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-194</guid>
		<description>Lobster,

I kind of agree with you but only because Segosa's blog (he'd argue it isn't a blog :p) is only for rants. I didn't really think of it until now but chances are everyone is going to disagree with at least one thing on his site. In fact, I only agree with one article/entry/whatever you call it on his site.

Every once in a while it is a bit of a relief to get in an argument with someone... not because of the actual argument but because of the ability to feel in a better mood once the argument is over (better meaning better than you felt during the argument :D)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lobster,</p>
<p>I kind of agree with you but only because Segosa&#8217;s blog (he&#8217;d argue it isn&#8217;t a blog :p) is only for rants. I didn&#8217;t really think of it until now but chances are everyone is going to disagree with at least one thing on his site. In fact, I only agree with one article/entry/whatever you call it on his site.</p>
<p>Every once in a while it is a bit of a relief to get in an argument with someone&#8230; not because of the actual argument but because of the ability to feel in a better mood once the argument is over (better meaning better than you felt during the argument :D)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Boulton</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-193</guid>
		<description>The whole idea of the 'Maddox' critisism thing was to point out the level of the argument that Segosa had bought it down to. In fact, it was me pretending to act like Segosa would respond.

He posted a response to this, and I really could not be bothered continuing this little argument. He will get what is coming to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of the &#8216;Maddox&#8217; critisism thing was to point out the level of the argument that Segosa had bought it down to. In fact, it was me pretending to act like Segosa would respond.</p>
<p>He posted a response to this, and I really could not be bothered continuing this little argument. He will get what is coming to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Lobster</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-192</guid>
		<description>I'm disappointed that you made a response to Segosa's comeback.  Until that point you were simply making a review of an article about Gmail.  Segosa had taken it as more than it was and felt the need to retaliate with half-arsed arguments.  It was clear that he wasn't accepting a perfectly reasonable point of view but you just had to go and bounce back, as if his post had made your original post seem untrue.

You also didn't even do a good job of criticising his response.

Firstly, you made an irrelevant criticism of his site (the maddox thing).  You've now brought it down to the level of Segosa's bickering comments about grammar.  The rapport between you two now becomes a childish fight over who's right and who's wrong.

You didn't handle the beta debate that well either.  Your original comment was fine, and poorly responded to by Segosa.  Of course it's possible that Google are in the process of optimising code, making the spam filter more intelligent, fixing obscure bugs, fixing compatibility issues not applicable to you or other things you can't see, as well as conducting GUI reviews and reviewing their business strategy to see if it is appropriate to bring Gmail out of the beta stage.

So I'm sorry to see that you've continued it into a two-way catfight, but so be it.  Just don't bore me with any more of it.

I have to admit your defence of the spelling/grammar attacks was admirable :P  You ended up making 2 mistakes in that sentence.  I don't want to be picky, because my point is that picking them out is lame, but I think we all knew that it was lame so there wasn't much need to retort.  I will point out to you again, Segosa, that your latest post contains 3 of its own grammatical mistakes.  Let's not go picking holes in things that we can't do ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disappointed that you made a response to Segosa&#8217;s comeback.  Until that point you were simply making a review of an article about Gmail.  Segosa had taken it as more than it was and felt the need to retaliate with half-arsed arguments.  It was clear that he wasn&#8217;t accepting a perfectly reasonable point of view but you just had to go and bounce back, as if his post had made your original post seem untrue.</p>
<p>You also didn&#8217;t even do a good job of criticising his response.</p>
<p>Firstly, you made an irrelevant criticism of his site (the maddox thing).  You&#8217;ve now brought it down to the level of Segosa&#8217;s bickering comments about grammar.  The rapport between you two now becomes a childish fight over who&#8217;s right and who&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t handle the beta debate that well either.  Your original comment was fine, and poorly responded to by Segosa.  Of course it&#8217;s possible that Google are in the process of optimising code, making the spam filter more intelligent, fixing obscure bugs, fixing compatibility issues not applicable to you or other things you can&#8217;t see, as well as conducting GUI reviews and reviewing their business strategy to see if it is appropriate to bring Gmail out of the beta stage.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m sorry to see that you&#8217;ve continued it into a two-way catfight, but so be it.  Just don&#8217;t bore me with any more of it.</p>
<p>I have to admit your defence of the spelling/grammar attacks was admirable <img src='http://www.surfionline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  You ended up making 2 mistakes in that sentence.  I don&#8217;t want to be picky, because my point is that picking them out is lame, but I think we all knew that it was lame so there wasn&#8217;t much need to retort.  I will point out to you again, Segosa, that your latest post contains 3 of its own grammatical mistakes.  Let&#8217;s not go picking holes in things that we can&#8217;t do ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Light</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-191</guid>
		<description>Since Segosa doesn't have a way to comment, I'll post my reply to his blog entry here.

Segosa is right... it should be as instead of has but who gives a damn? Is this an English test? Not me. I understood what Chris meant. But that's besides the fact because if you're going to make an argument I wouldn't use typos as a supporting argument.

"I guess it's just my imagination that Yahoo! has a search feature too." Did Chris say that the search feature is one of the unique features? No... but even if he did it would be unique because it has unique features of its own.

As for the complaint that Gmail has been in beta testing for a while now without too many noticable changes... beta testing is usually to fix the bugs and doesn't require features to be added or the layout to change.

I could probably keep going but quite frankly I don't feel like taking the time to :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Segosa doesn&#8217;t have a way to comment, I&#8217;ll post my reply to his blog entry here.</p>
<p>Segosa is right&#8230; it should be as instead of has but who gives a damn? Is this an English test? Not me. I understood what Chris meant. But that&#8217;s besides the fact because if you&#8217;re going to make an argument I wouldn&#8217;t use typos as a supporting argument.</p>
<p>&#8220;I guess it&#8217;s just my imagination that Yahoo! has a search feature too.&#8221; Did Chris say that the search feature is one of the unique features? No&#8230; but even if he did it would be unique because it has unique features of its own.</p>
<p>As for the complaint that Gmail has been in beta testing for a while now without too many noticable changes&#8230; beta testing is usually to fix the bugs and doesn&#8217;t require features to be added or the layout to change.</p>
<p>I could probably keep going but quite frankly I don&#8217;t feel like taking the time to <img src='http://www.surfionline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Lobster</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-190</guid>
		<description>There is truth in both sides of the story.  Yes, of course Google have designed Gmail to be very popular.  Yes, debatably, there is more hype over Gmail than it deserves.  But then who cares?  On the flip side, they've made big waves in cyberspace by giving users the freedom to keep as much as they like (virtually).  I personally agree with kboy - Gmail is good so why complain?

You'll notice that segosa has posted a &lt;a href="http://www.m00.cx/rants/gmailtrash.html"&gt;followup&lt;/a&gt; to this post.  I have to say that this has turned it into a blog war, rather than a post followed by a reaction to it.  The arguments in the "come-back" aren't even that solid. Please don't do the same in response Chris.  It would be such a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is truth in both sides of the story.  Yes, of course Google have designed Gmail to be very popular.  Yes, debatably, there is more hype over Gmail than it deserves.  But then who cares?  On the flip side, they&#8217;ve made big waves in cyberspace by giving users the freedom to keep as much as they like (virtually).  I personally agree with kboy - Gmail is good so why complain?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll notice that segosa has posted a <a href="http://www.m00.cx/rants/gmailtrash.html">followup</a> to this post.  I have to say that this has turned it into a blog war, rather than a post followed by a reaction to it.  The arguments in the &#8220;come-back&#8221; aren&#8217;t even that solid. Please don&#8217;t do the same in response Chris.  It would be such a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: KnightieBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>KnightieBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.surfionline.com/archives/2004/09/11/what-i-hate/#comment-189</guid>
		<description>hahaha, so true.. I completely agree. My opnion? I hate that kind of rubbish too, and I have 6 gmail invites, but the weird things is that my contacts (n00bs) don't know anything about gmail, thus don't want it. I'm happy with gmail and people who are not, can go back to their 2 mb (soon 250 mb?) hotmail imho</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha, so true.. I completely agree. My opnion? I hate that kind of rubbish too, and I have 6 gmail invites, but the weird things is that my contacts (n00bs) don&#8217;t know anything about gmail, thus don&#8217;t want it. I&#8217;m happy with gmail and people who are not, can go back to their 2 mb (soon 250 mb?) hotmail imho</p>
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