According to this ‘article’ which is another ‘MPZ’ article myself and the rest of the #msgplus [irc.msgplus.net] channel are corrupt! 
I was shocked by these accusations made by Mr. Dane Smith. For starters he has blown the whole thing WAY out of proportion and he doesn’t even listen to reason. Although I may have gone over the top and abused him a bit, he did the same for me. Mr. Smith posted several logs on his website with had obviously been edited to cut out certain parts to make me look like more of a fool than I actually am. Mr. Smith has been informed that it is illegal to post conversation logs without prior permission and he has currently removed them from that page.
The very way that Mr. Smith has dealt with this manner is very unprofessional on his behalf. He is trying to go around running a professional set of forums and he posts rubbish like this on them? A one sided and self centered article. If he was any kind of decent person he wouldn’t have actually published an article like this and actually tried resolving things and if he couldn’t resolve things then he could have left the server.
Before I start criticising this article of his again, lets get started by pointing out there is no [b]we[/b] in relation to the Messenger Plus! Zone. It is a one person army who tries to run the show and boss people around, not stand his place and listen.
There is no corruption in #msgplus unless you are specifically talking about Mr. Dane Smith himself.
ince when is spamming alright and since when is it ever accepted as being alright? As someone who manages forums and a website he should have already know that it wasn’t acceptable but yet, he did it anyway. Apparently the ’spamming’ was set off by a timer and he blames not being able to stop it on the fact that he doesn’t know how to disable them. If he made the timer in the first place, shouldn’t he know how to stop it? Exactly. Apparently we ban for 5 minutes for this type of offence but myself nor the rest of the channel staff or IRC operators know about this rule. Mr. Smith made it up to actually cover himself so we would be made out as the ‘bad guys’.
I cannot deny that I did not say “wtf were you doing spamming?” because i was annoyed that a member who was so against spam and bad behavior in the first place actually spammed the channel! Especially considering his history with other users in the channel! He didn’t apologize to me without me continuing the matter. He denied it and blamed it back on the fact that no one had told him. Segosa’s actions were not out of line. He has every right to say what he thinks and as this spam was coming from a channel Half-op, necessary action and punishment would have to be taken out.
I was furiously angry that morning about the whole situation that Mr Smith had once again gotten away with non-sense and server abuse. What Dane also forgot to mention is that he was banned from the channel due to once again bringing the argument up after he was told to drop it. Pipish never said anything that remotely resembles that either, which just shows how much of a cock-up situation this actually is and that Mr. Smith will go to any length to try and get other users punished for his own actions.
But hang on Mr. Smith, you said DXtremz has no control over the server, if that’s true then exactly how is he supposed to fix anything thats going wrong? Mr. Smith has also abused DXtremz numerous times by calling him a bad server administrator because he does not put IRC over his life. What kind of person would place more importance over an IRC server than there own life? DXtremz is a good friend of mine and it is not nice to see your friends or yourself getting publicly bashed like this.
Regarding the matter that all IRC Operator decisions are final.. These are the rules that you are bound to when connecting to the IRC server in the first place. If he doesn’t like that fact then he shouldn’t have connected in the first place. DXtremz places a lot of trust, importance and respect into the IRC Operators he has chosen and he expects them to do their job in methods which they find necessary.
You see, when Mr. Smith does not get his way with something or he doesn’t like a decision that has been made he will always whinge and complain to DXtremz. If DXtremz agrees with a decision or ruling that has been made against Mr. Smith then he will simply go to Patchou and complain until he does actually get his way. This isn’t the first time that this has happened, it happens ALL the time whenever something is happening in #msgplus.
So going back over this you can see that Mr. Smith has actually stepped across the boundary and is actually trying to control the server, take charge and force actions upon other users. He needs to get back down of his high-horse and accept any punishment that is given to him from an IRC operator.
Patchou had given Mr. Smith until midnight tonight to remove this article from his server however Mr. Smith has not complied with these requests and as a consequence his site will be unlisted from the Messenger Plus! website. His account on the Messenger Plus! forums has also been locked and his license for using MyBB on his server has also been revoked in regard to this matter.
There is a lot more to this, and I will continue to write more later.
You can all forward you hate-mail as well as email your disgust on the way Mr. Smith has publicised this article to msgpluszone@msgpluszone.com.
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Comments
Matt (June 1st, 2004, 11:46 pm)
Oh surfi, I had no idea :dodgy:
Matthew (June 2nd, 2004, 12:04 am)
A well put critique of a very nasty situation, sound counter arguments of Mr. Smith’s impulsive flawed “article”. I agree with many of the points especially the one about the whole situation being blown out of proportion! I, too, idle in the #msgplus channel and I can bear witness that Dane Smith is wrong about this incident, he is being churlish and ill mannered. I fully support the IRC Operators on this and will not hesitate in expressing my support.
Regards.
Mz Z (June 2nd, 2004, 12:17 am)
ummz i have nothing intelligent to say, but i agree wit the IRC Operators (look! no z’s!) and um…i fully support them..eheh im a regular too an like ummz yeh dane is very naughty! should go to his room an think about what he has done! ok im getin outta mum mode now…thinkin smart…dane over exaggeratted what did happen..
aiight im outta here…ciao!
Mippo (June 2nd, 2004, 6:42 am)
Now THIS story is the truth. Tbh, Dane just wants attention and support of his loyal members, who he doesn’t have…
Check out “Mippo responds too”
Dane Smith (June 2nd, 2004, 6:35 pm)
First off, this article has some…”accidental” flaws. “pipish” DID INDEED say the things this article rejects. Indeed, I have logs proving so. As for the so called “edited logfiles”, the MSN logfiles were only edited to remove conversations apart from the ones related to this.
Secondly, in response to the Termination of myBB, this was surfi’s “attempt” to disable the article, which HAD failed. The article has been removed for the time being.
Thirdly, Surfichris tries telling me that publishing DXtremz’s email address was rude, yet he publishes my email address? Now is surfi rude??
Fourthly, My host’s lawyer has informed him that the articles/documents published on Messenger Plus! Zone, unless stated otherwise (such as myBB’s license agreement), are under the laws of the country where the server resides (in this case, the United States of America). And the United States of America Constitution states “Freedom of Speech and the Press”…
Fifth, Patchou was notified about this from surfichris.
Sixth, as for the IRC Operator thing, DXtremz can trust them, but obvious personal bias shouldnt be allowed to impair judgement and those with the bias shouldnt be allowed to judge against certain users.
Seventh, Segosa has long had Bias against myself.
Eigth, The entire story has been dropped. I myself have left the IRC Channel due to the corruption that I maintain still exists, and due to the “defamement” that surfichris has caused myself. I will let you know since surfichris has “stated his side”, the entire community, more than likely fearing punishment for there views, has sided with him and decided to harass myself.
Theo (June 2nd, 2004, 8:03 pm)
dane j00 got pwn’d
ffs take a look around, maybe if you wernt so self centered and actually saw what an ass your making of yourself maybe you wouldnt be in this perdicument in the first place. You deserve everything you got if it was me i would get the boot.
DX and The msgplus operators are not corrupt, you are dane, now shush and let me eat my pie.
Bladez (June 2nd, 2004, 9:23 pm)
FIRE UP!
Matthew (June 2nd, 2004, 10:26 pm)
“First off, this article has some…”accidental” flaws. “pipish” DID INDEED say the things this article rejects. Indeed, I have logs proving so.”
I have logs of all that went on in #msgplus too. Mine show pipish being confused and totally the opposite to the way you describe Dane. Bad luck.
“Thirdly, Surfichris tries telling me that publishing DXtremz’s email address was rude, yet he publishes my email address? Now is surfi rude??”
There’s a difference in this. DXtremz’s email was only available in the IRC channel’s topic, it is not a public address. The msgpluszone address, however, was available in the article you published Dane so surfichris has every right to put it here since it was already in the public domain.
“Fourthly, My host’s lawyer has informed him that the articles/documents published on Messenger Plus! Zone, unless stated otherwise (such as myBB’s license agreement), are under the laws of the country where the server resides (in this case, the United States of America). And the United States of America Constitution states “Freedom of Speech and the Press”…”
On a side not, Dane sort your spelling and grammar out. But back to the major point: this is bollocks.Things other people say are not allowed to be published without their consent, that’s a point of privacy and intellectual property. Logging conversations is all well and good because software has the capability to do that and everyone knows this, but publishing those logs is definitely inappropriate.
“Sixth, as for the IRC Operator thing, DXtremz can trust them, but obvious personal bias shouldnt be allowed to impair judgement and those with the bias shouldnt be allowed to judge against certain users.”
I saw no bias in this whole incident, all punishments and consequences were fair and in line with everything that occured.
Segosa (June 2nd, 2004, 10:44 pm)
Oh Dane, do us all a favour, do the world a favour, please. Just leave, go away, never come back. Leave us all to get on with our lives. Make everyone happy. We don’t need your legal crap, which no-one believes because half of it is spelt wrong. Go to school where you can learn to spell. Take a course on grammar, in fact, go back to school and attempt to bully people there. Then you’ll get what you deserve when they realise you’re a stuck-up prat.
Chris Boulton (June 2nd, 2004, 11:12 pm)
[i]”Secondly, in response to the Termination of myBB, this was surfi’s “attempt” to disable the article, which HAD failed. The article has been removed for the time being.”[/i]
It was not because I wanted your article removed, I don’t really care about your article as who do you think people are going to listen to? Someone who is known to cause trouble against the community? The license was terminated because it was giving MyBB a bad name. You posting on the XMB forums about it was also very unprofessional of you too.
[i]”Thirdly, Surfichris tries telling me that publishing DXtremz’s email address was rude, yet he publishes my email address? Now is surfi rude??”[/i]
You published DXtremz’s personal email address. I posted your public website email address which you posted yourself.
[i]”Fourthly, My host’s lawyer has informed him that the articles/documents published on Messenger Plus! Zone, unless stated otherwise (such as myBB’s license agreement), are under the laws of the country where the server resides (in this case, the United States of America). And the United States of America Constitution states “Freedom of Speech and the Press”…”[/i]
Freedom of speech allows you to express your own views, not post other peoples log files :rolleyes:
[i]”Fifth, Patchou was notified about this from surfichris.”[/i]
Actually, I havent spoken to Patchou at all about this matter, he was speaking to DXtremz about it.
[i]”Sixth, as for the IRC Operator thing, DXtremz can trust them, but obvious personal bias shouldnt be allowed to impair judgement and those with the bias shouldnt be allowed to judge against certain users.”[/i]
What you did ‘constitues’ a ban, spamming. You would do the same to someone else. It also constitues removal from the HOP list because you are supposed to act respectful at all times. It is not personal bias… You do know that i have been getting on well with you? I have helped you numerous times.
[i]”Seventh, Segosa has long had Bias against myself.”[/i]
Its his personal opinion of yours, you have one of him so whats not to say he isn’t allowed to have one of you?
[i]”Eigth, The entire story has been dropped. I myself have left the IRC Channel due to the corruption that I maintain still exists, and due to the “defamement” that surfichris has caused myself. I will let you know since surfichris has “stated his side”, the entire community, more than likely fearing punishment for there views, has sided with him and decided to harass myself.”[/i]
You think I will go around banning people just because they dont share the same views as me? Well you’re wrong. People can have their own views and i dont want to stop that. I consider myself a normal part of the community, a member.. I don’t classify being an Admin on the Plus! forums or IRCOP on the irc server as being powerful, I take it as a gift and for granted. I’m grateful to be where I am now.
Matt (June 2nd, 2004, 11:34 pm)
Now now boys, play nicely.
I think that if someone does something to deceive the other parties, then that person should be dealt with in an orderly fashion - A small smack on the bottom with a rolled up newspaper and possibly ban for 30 days.. Savy?
Dane Smith (June 3rd, 2004, 2:41 pm)
Matthew:
“First off, this article has some…”accidental” flaws. “pipish” DID INDEED say the things this article rejects. Indeed, I have logs proving so.”
I have logs of all that went on in #msgplus too. Mine show pipish being confused and totally the opposite to the way you describe Dane. Bad luck.”
It was a Private Message, so you wouldnt have that log, mmm?
“You think I will go around banning people just because they dont share the same views as me? Well you’re wrong. People can have their own views and i dont want to stop that. I consider myself a normal part of the community, a member.. I don’t classify being an Admin on the Plus! forums or IRCOP on the irc server as being powerful, I take it as a gift and for granted. I’m grateful to be where I am now. ”
I believe you do, others have informed me of the same…They have informed me they refuse to remove you from access only because you control the forums and are afraid you’d rupture the forums then.
Also, surfi, heres a new comment for you to defend:
“[05:08:28 PM] Chris ‘mo’ B: just die”
When i’ve found the statement about you asking me to commit suicide by jumping off a bridge, ill post it.
Chris Boulton (June 3rd, 2004, 3:06 pm)
About Pipish, I have his logs of chats with you and you have very much interpreted what he said wrongly.
Dane, thats an outright lie. about others. I take it you’re talking about DXtremz because he is the only one capable of that? Well I can tell you now its not the case because he and I are good friends.
[i]”"[05:08:28 PM] Chris ‘mo’ B: just die”
When i’ve found the statement about you asking me to commit suicide by jumping off a bridge, ill post it.”[/i]
Hmm, probably one of my best suggestions?
Dane Smith (June 4th, 2004, 2:07 pm)
Do not delete XXXX and My post’s because we make points.
I dont remember exactly what I wrote, so simply put…Intimidation is used since the Forums are under your control and you have the power to delete them.
Theo (June 4th, 2004, 2:37 pm)
dane blow me and jump off a bridge
Matt Light (June 5th, 2004, 10:52 am)
To make things clear I’m neither ‘Matt’ or ‘Matthew’ so don’t confuse me with either of them. (I’m not saying their views are good or bad)
I hate to pull a Dr. Phil but is what you guys are doing working for you? Everyone wants to continue arguing but it hasn’t seemed to help. I admit I have had my own personal battles with people that went on and on but the arguing didn’t ever seem to help. The problem is that if you just stop there will probably be one person who continues talking trash and then someone else will want to make a reply to defend themselves. My view is that who gives a damn if someone talks trash… they are the one that will look bad for continuing.
At any rate, not that I don’t see multiple wrongs, I think that Dane should really think about this since, regardless of what happened afterwards, he initiated it by spamming. Funny thing is… him spamming is the only thing that has really had any effect. Not only did it start a war he got himself banned.
P.S. Dane, don’t think I’m personally attacking you because I don’t even know you. From both sides of the story it is fact that you made the initial action.
David Kornahrens (July 2nd, 2004, 4:32 pm)
There must be some kind of resolve. Maybe a Judge Judy could sort this out?